My views on humanity/society.
All of which you are about to read is of my opinion.
In this modern world of humans who have little to no morals, and humans being annoying, the world is becoming/has become a place where people no longer take responsibility for their own actions, or keeping morals at a standard, people have become focused on things that should not be focused on at a later time. Some annoying qualities that people suffer from, and I remind you this is my opinion, are how an excuse can be found for it to not be their fault, no matter the situation, also, how some people always find a way to talk about themselves, and never tire from it. They can rant on about how “awesome” their weekend was, while you are dying of boredom, wondering how they don’t notice you are annoyed and don’t care, even though most of your responses are “Uh huh”, and you aren’t saying anything about it, not even commenting on it, or asking questions about it. People who talk about things as if they know what they are talking about, but have no idea what they are talking about are one of the worst things I’ve been around, in my opinion. Talking through ignorance is not okay. Not only is what you are talking about wrong, but the information that you are spreading around is also wrong. Next, promiscuity, especially in teenagers, is terrible. Even if it’s just with one person who they aren’t sure they are going to be with forever is wrong. It should not be with multitudes of people. It should be your job to make sure that the sexual organ you have acquired through being born is not shared among the populace. For females, in my opinion, it is gross for them to go around with multiple guys. I mean, sure you might like it at the time, but later in time, when you find someone that you want to be with, your vagina has been penetrated by hopefully you know how many other males, and is putrid and impure, and this isn’t even considering it might be loose, and you’ll know how experienced other people are, so then you may always be thinking about how “good” your life long partner is, compared to your one night stands or short term boyfriends or whatever they were. This isn’t fair to that person, or to you. For males, it isn’t as gross.. I mean your penis isn’t inside you, a place that’s hard to clean or anything, but still.. Getting vaginal liquids, or even just the thought, through a condom, is still gross if it’s from more than one female. I mean it’s not meant to made to go and loosen every girl you can, it’s meant to make children with the one you are going to be with forever. Think before you act, just because you can get a girl to, doesn’t mean you should. This is more antagonistic towards males though, it isn’t always their fault, girls do want it too, and some are willing to. Still, taking advantage isn’t right for males or females.
In the old world, things were better, in my opinion. People seemed more sincere to each other, and there were no divorces. People stuck together til the end, and everyone knew everyone else. When people would be married at a young age and never get divorced, and life was simple and nobody had a care in the world. It was easier to make a living and people helped each other out even though they were just neighbors or lived in the same neighborhood.
Themocracy
Ok, first off. If your really find a person that overwhelmingly annoying, you should either talk about something else, or leave. Second. Who decided that you could be all righteous and decide whats right and wrong. Sure promiscuity is looked down upon by most people, but you shouldn’t be telling people they are a bad person for it. Third. I understand it’s your opinion… But, grow up, it’s not “gross”, it’s how our bodies are. Everyone has a sex drive, some are stronger than others. It’s just how humans are. Finally. “In the old world”, what do you mean old? like, 1500’s old? 1950’s old? either way, you didn’t live in either era. Those times were just as bad as any, people cheated on each other, there was prostitution, wars, violence, drugs, all that good stuff. And those things will always be around.
For lack of a better social solution we have all been stuck in Malice’s situation and I agree. Secondly the fact that promiscuity isn’t looked down on by our generation is the problem. It isn’t about right or wrong. When asked the question “How many people do you want your ‘partener’ to have been with?”. I have only got one legitamate awnser which is as few as possible. Others who see the flaw in their logic state things such as “I want them to be experienced” and other non-sense. We may have sex drives and be built capable but it doesn’t make it any less disgusting to ‘get around’. The real problem comes when people try to make this decision before they are ready simply put at 15-16 you can’t weigh the consequences. How many people do you hear going “Man, I sure am glad I slept with the entire football team when I was in high school!” None and for good reason. People are making morals based desicions before they have developed a comprehensive set of them, or the ability to use simple logic and reason. That is where the problem is. As for the old days I have to agree nto much better forced marriages, spousal beating, a lot more rape. But, I belive malices main point is intact!
Well, Tran, Malice, and Anonymous, it is essential to look at the fact that any argument in this field is simply comparing apples and oranges. You are throwing one’s sex drive (Or level of promiscuity) against society’s standards (And their own standards). While the sex drive, the enjoyment of sex, as it were, is built into us biologically and mentally, society’s standards are created by a majority and are therefore presented to us from the viewpoints of an already established mentality, which is, now, hundreds of years old.
So, in order to put the argument out there, is requires a separation of 1) biology and 2) societal standards. The biology of it would be the fact that while yes, it is a natural lust to have and yes, the body makes sex enjoyable. But as more and more partners are taken in, as it were, the used areas may become more and more used, and this dirtier, or less appealing because of “wearing out” certain pieces of the body.
Secondly, society versus one’s morals. The argument here would be directed toward which is most important to the individual: How society works or how their standards work. Once one of these is deemed more important, then the decision of promiscuity versus less promiscuity can be more well determined.
So, the point comes to this: What level of cleanliness is one willing to sacrifice through their promiscuity? How much are they willing to use up biological finite supplies through their promiscuity?
And, which is more important to the individual, their views or the society’s?
In my opinion, people need to be reserved to some extent. But I still recognize the natural urges and the want to feel. I believe that people should simplify exercise caution in their promiscuous actions; if people want to experiment, that’s one thing, but if they go throwing their bodies around all the time, that’s another completely.
ZenMaintenance, you say that society’s standards were made hundreds of years ago, but I believe that society’s standards are deteriorating, and changing with the times.
It also depends on who one is talking about, and what area the “who” was/were born in.
People do naturally have a sex drive, yes, but this was because people used to have very short lives, 20s, 30s if you were lucky, and so their bodies maximized the time they could have children, for the maximum ages back then. The times have changed, however, because people are living much longer, and have more to choose from, yet the drive remains.
People no longer use it for the same purpose, either. It used to be necessary to have children at a young age to keep mankind alive and well, to make sure we, as a race didn’t die out. Young women were having children, lots of them. These children were also being used to help keep the family as a whole alive and well. This good, singular spouse system has been defiled and wretchified. Now, it is purely for enjoyment. Knowing who one is going to be with forever and expressing one’s love is one thing, galavanting about, sleeping with everything in sight. I realize this is a hyperbole, but even to a lower degree, this is still a serious matter.
People, as a whole, this “society” of which you speak, needs to straighten up, tighten their belts, possibly get chastity belts as well, and get their heads in gear. There are more important things to be done, such as bettering one’s self.
Tran22: In some ways I think you’re right. But I have to disagree when it comes to your generalization on age. There is no set age and you cannot argue that ALL fifteen or sixteen year-olds aren’t ready. I’m not arguing that they are. Just that they could be. A fifteen or sixteen year-old is perfectly capable of understanding the consequences of their actions.
The issue is instead a matter of weighing between perceived benefits and consequences (pros vs. cons). After the fact (or act, as it were), it becomes a question of accepting the consequences of your choice. Either you choose to engage and you have to accept the consequences (possible pregnancy, infection, emotional impact or maybe none and only pleasure), or you choose not to and have to deal with those consequences (not having the pleasure).
I’m not arguing either way. I just think one must be careful and deliberate when considering “qualifications”, if you will, and qualifying one’s argument on the topic.
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I’m inclined to agree with ZenMaintenance. Essentially, people need to have the freedom to learn, to experiment, to experience. But freedom, of course, requires a certain restraint in its exercise or it becomes meaningless, dangerous, or both. I do, however, disagree with ZM on some important levels.
First, I do not believe it’s possible to base a meaningful ethical or moral system on the “average” of society. There must be something more concrete and real. But maybe that’s just wishful thinking. I haven’t been able to reach a conclusion on these matters.
I do believe it is absurd to propose that the anatomy involved can be worn out. The cell types involved (mostly skin) are quickly replaced. I’m sure that within some amount of time, there’s no physiological difference between a slightly promiscuous person and a very promiscuous person (ignoring possibilities like infections, etc.).
Instead of “how many times”, I think it’s a matter of “how often”. I would argue that very promiscuous people are disgusting that way for reasons of hygiene, mostly, as well as behaviour, “social norms”, and our individual standards. It’s not as though your partner is permanently “taken in”, even if there’s conception. Eventually, the fetus leaves the womb. So, like ZM says, it becomes a matter of sacrificing cleanliness. But I don’t think the biological aspects of any part of sex are finite, except of course, human mortality.
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Malice:
Naturally societal standards change with the times. Would you really have it any other way? The idea mortifies me: if standards don’t change with the times, there’s no hope for the things the standards have wrong right now. “The times” never get it completely right. I think there’s plenty of evidence for this, now and in the past. Like you say, our current times aren’t exactly perfect. But neither were the ’60s, the ’50s, the ’30s, the ’20s, the 1800s, or 0 AD.
Similarly, you propose what is, for the most part, a valid “biological” perspective of the necessity of libido and the drive to reproduce, but do you really think the standards of any “times” were based on strictly biological, rational criteria?
It’s important to keep in mind that reproduction and the sex drive exist for one reason, and no others: continuation of the species. So it is not as though the urge to procreate will ever vary with the species’ situation. Just because we don’t need (in our culture) to have the sex drive we used to doesn’t mean it will go away. Similarly, just because we “needed” to reproduce faster back then, it doesn’t mean that’s why we did.
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I agree, that our generation should be more responsible. However, I believe it is flawed to compare our time with any other. While history is certainly the reason why things are the way they are today, history has no control on our future. It might be able to teach us what we need to do differently, but it cannot stop us from creating what we choose to create.
There is no such thing as destiny.
Choice is the only truth.